tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post8855942073195642474..comments2023-12-13T16:57:33.142-06:00Comments on Blogodidact: Should the Education of your children include educating the government about your private life? The Rotten Common Core pt 2Van Harveyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-28965983578066261272011-03-18T17:20:01.724-05:002011-03-18T17:20:01.724-05:00Handsinthesoil, I guess I need to spend more time ...Handsinthesoil, I guess I need to spend more time at my own blog... Gretchen sent me to yours, and I left a comment, not realizing you'd already been here!<br /><br />"...once you do your own independent research outside textbooks and the usual white-washed college information, you see a "dark side"..."<br /><br />That's certainly the case as I found it.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-25042685374753893632011-03-18T17:17:44.164-05:002011-03-18T17:17:44.164-05:00Jim said "Does getting stuff trump virtue, va...Jim said "Does getting stuff trump virtue, values and understanding? I don't want to think so."<br /><br />They aren't mutually exclusive, unless their order is reversed. If reversed, it becomes nearly impossible for the virtually blinded to see what they lack, or even it's value, the phrase "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul" is completely lost on such a person.<br /><br />"... I sense "things are beginning to slip suggesting we rethink our educational system with a renewed emphasis and balancing out of our founding principles. "<br /><br />As you say, we have been running on the diminishing steam of earlier times, but we cannot retain that power, if we don't retain, or regain, the meaning which gave it power. As the quote attributed to de Tocqueville says so well “<i>America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great</i>" (I think the quote isn’t an actual quote, but a later day summarization of him - I went hunting for the source of the quote once, and couldn't find it, but I did find several paragraphs which it gives the gist of, but either way, it's accurate all the same).<br /><br />We will have to re-create how we educate ourselves (I think reform is unlikely, and I do have some ideas on that, which I'll get to at the end of these posts), and our founding principles must be core to that... or whoever we become, it won't bear much relation to who we once were.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-25662942338195342012011-03-17T18:15:46.560-05:002011-03-17T18:15:46.560-05:00Elizabeth said "It is not clear to me, either...Elizabeth said "It is not clear to me, either from your article or sources outside your article, how the Common Core Standards in any way result in my providing the government detailed information about otherwise private aspects of my life."<br /><br />Hmmm... I'd like to argue the point, but since I worried a bit about that myself, I can't; I can only point to the "Part 2" and ask you to indulge me for parts 3 & 4 (coming soon), before passing final judgment. There comes a point where even I have to admit a post is getting too long, and put it out the door.<br /><br />However, the CCS, and the information they are gathering, which I hope you can see the outlines for in Cubberley's works that I cited, heavily promote gathering information on students and their families, and bringing that into the system in order to better control what is seen as the purpose of the system, that being transforming society into the ideal of those who are fashioning the standards.<br /><br />And the deeper issue, also getting to, is not the standards, or even the invasion of privacy, but the altered principle at the core of modern education, which makes those issues not just incidental errors in judgment, but central, and unavoidable features of its design.<br /><br />"I wish your article acknowledged the difficulty in walking this line."<br /><br />Very much on my mind as well, not ignored, just couldn't be crammed in to this post as well without dangerously depleting the worlds precious supply of HTML.<br /><br />I hope you'll stick around for the final parts and let me know if you think I managed to tie it all together.<br /><br />BTW, I glanced at your site... a big thumbs up on "The Children of Hurin by J.R.R. Tolkien", but don't be so quick to hurry on to the next book, those tales, Beleg, Turambar & Neinor... they have more to be told than a single read can draw out. Tolkien is often accused of being longwinded too, but he's much more deep-winded, there are at least three or four layers to be plumbed before putting it back on the shelf....<br /><br />;-)<br /><br />Sorry... part of the problem of being longwinded is trying to lay everything out to be seen, rather than artfully layering it as better writers like Tolkien do.<br /><br />Working on it.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-56718454790507543342011-03-17T12:42:59.133-05:002011-03-17T12:42:59.133-05:00Isn't the title of your article misleading as ...Isn't the title of your article misleading as to its content and thesis? The title appeared to be about government intrusion into adult privacy--"educating the government about your home, your possessions, your habits...." But the focus of your essay appears to be government control of our children via the "Common Core Standards" of education which have been adopted by most states.<br /><br />It is not clear to me, either from your article or sources outside your article, how the Common Core Standards in any way result in my providing the government detailed information about otherwise private aspects of my life.<br /><br /><br />As to the value or danger of the Common Core Standards (as opposed to local control over standards on which our public school curricula are based), your essay ignores the difficult balancing act educational policy in this country walks. As a concerned citizen, a taxpayer and a supporter of our Constitution, I feel a duty to share in the burden of educating all of our country's children (not just my own). Yet as a parent I want complete freedom to control the course of my child's education. I wish your article acknowledged the difficulty in walking this line.Liz Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04849364902364533576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-40414733648598088152011-03-14T22:57:21.525-05:002011-03-14T22:57:21.525-05:00So far I merely browsed your blog....will do a ful...So far I merely browsed your blog....will do a full review later, but I can say I am glad I'm not the only one uncovering education's "evils" i.e. Cubberley and his progressive-era desire for social efficiency, etc. as I talk about in my blog, 3rseduc.blogspot.com It is interesting all you learn in school (or all I learned when obtaining my credential) about our education, curriculum, pedagogy, etc seems all "warm and fuzzy" but once you do your own independent research outside textbooks and the usual white-washed college information, you see a "dark side"...3rseduc / handsinthesoilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03218555891546800241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-32405924179323505392011-03-12T17:22:54.358-06:002011-03-12T17:22:54.358-06:00I've wondered from time to time, not sufficien...I've wondered from time to time, not sufficiently enough, why the Constitution has been increasingly relegated to the scrap heap of antiquated ideas. The author makes a compelling argument of how our educational system has and is evolving, making Constitutional principals, whether intended or not, increasingly irrelevant and the object of scorn by the left. <br /><br />Then I become confused when seeing how our educational system has transformed our nation, by no means perfect and educationally non competitive by world standards, into one of the most powerful and benevolent countries in the world with one of the highest standards of living. Does getting stuff trump virtue, values and understanding? I don't want to think so.<br /><br />Maybe the momentum from the nations founding with its Constitutional underpinnings has carried us this far. Whatever the reason I sense "things are beginning to slip suggesting we rethink our educational system with a renewed emphasis and balancing out of our founding principles.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11624010292799079630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32362551.post-70792840657380478912011-03-12T10:26:14.174-06:002011-03-12T10:26:14.174-06:00Excellent post...THANK YOU!!!
Anyone looking for ...Excellent post...THANK YOU!!!<br /><br />Anyone looking for additional information on how long, how deeply, and WHO has been involved in the "transformation" of our education system can go to:<br />http://deliberatedumbingdown.com/ <br /><br />The site includes a free download of the book, "The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America", by Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt - former Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration.<br /><br />Ms. Iserbyt demonstrates, through DIRECT quotes, how progressives, socialists, and communists have been working for over 100 years to turn every American citizen / "human capital" into a "perfect citizen"...suitable for "the workforce" in the New World Order.<br /><br />Oops...did forget to mention that means if you can't work, YOU DON'T NEED TO LIVE!!!! Time to WAKE UP boys & girls...Marcianoreply@blogger.com